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Christ Killers?

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You know something is seriously wrong with politics when someone shouts “Christ Killers” at an anti-Israeli demonstration in New York.

Please do take the time and trouble to watch this video clip, the taunting shouts of “Nazis” made at Jews and the final few seconds of the clip which reveal the true intent of these supposed “activists”.

I think it is a real shame that the Palestinians’ case is associated with these racists and headcases.

Sadly, it’s not an isolated incident as the discussions at Dave Osler’s show.

How anyone could even think of suggesting that Baroness Tonge has a valid point, is beyond me. But readers you make up your own minds, ask yourself the question would the StWC be supporting Baroness Tonge if she wanted an inquiry as to whether or not Israelis were the real Christ killers?”

And if not, then why are they supporting her when she calls for an inquiry into whether or not the Israelis are flying halfway around the world to harvest organs, in some updated version of the ritual murder theme. Unbelievable.

(H/T: CiF Watch)

Update 1: Judeosphere’s comment deserves a wider audience:

“I’ve been genuinely creeped-out to see how often the “Christ Killer” libel has appeared in political cartoons attacking Israel (presenting the Palestinians, of course, as the Crucified Jesus).

Sometimes it’s more subtle. Jeffrey Goldberg noted in his review of Jimmy Carter’s book:

On his fateful first visit to Israel, Carter takes a tour of the Galilee and writes, “It was especially interesting to visit with some of the few surviving Samaritans, who complained to us that their holy sites and culture were not being respected by Israeli authorities — the same complaint heard by Jesus and his disciples almost two thousand years earlier.”

There are, of course, no references to “Israeli authorities” in the Christian Bible. Only a man who sees Israel as a lineal descendant of the Pharisees could write such a sentence.”

Written by modernityblog

12/03/2010 at 02:35

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  1. I’ve been genuinely creeped-out to see how often the “Christ Killer” libel has appeared in political cartoons attacking Israel (presenting the Palestinians, of course, as the Crucified Jesus).

    Sometimes it’s more subtle. Jeffrey Goldberg noted in his review of Jimmy Carter’s book:

    On his fateful first visit to Israel, Carter takes a tour of the Galilee and writes, “It was especially interesting to visit with some of the few surviving Samaritans, who complained to us that their holy sites and culture were not being respected by Israeli authorities — the same complaint heard by Jesus and his disciples almost two thousand years earlier.”

    There are, of course, no references to “Israeli authorities” in the Christian Bible. Only a man who sees Israel as a lineal descendant of the Pharisees could write such a sentence.

    Judeosphere

    12/03/2010 at 03:03

  2. Who are they expecting to sway with that kind of bullshit? I mean, I’ve lived in the Texas Bible belt for 30 years, and I’ve never, ever heard Jews referred to as “Christ-killers” or in any way blamed for the death of Christ, an event we Christians regard as profound, necessary, tragic and sublime. That they would cheapen in it in that way makes me ill.

    mesquito

    12/03/2010 at 03:27

  3. Oh, and Jimmy Carter is a slimy sactimonious preening squalid festering pustule.

    mesquito

    12/03/2010 at 03:29

  4. Be sceptical. Something is wrong about this. I’ve never heard of this one.

    Roger Pearse

    12/03/2010 at 16:55

  5. @mesquito

    as far as I know, the whole “Christ killer-mythology” was historically far mor common in catholic or orthodox regions in Europe (often utilized for pogroms around Easter time) than in protestant areas

    entdinglichung

    12/03/2010 at 17:36

  6. Roger,

    So you’ve never heard of the whole “Christ killer” mythology connected to old fashion Christianity?

    Is that really what you are saying?

    modernityblog

    12/03/2010 at 21:02

  7. Not a bit, although not usually that crudely.

    But … I’ve never seen it in real life, today, now; nor have I ever heard of it, or anyone who held those views, or ever encountered it other than as an old tale. When I HAVE heard people talking about it, the people doing so have all been Jewish! Who else ever thinks of such a thing?

    Now when we see an old stereotype being paraded, some of us may simply look at this as we are evidently expected to. We may throw up our hands in horror and remark “”.

    But some may wonder whether there is rather more to this than first meets the eye. If we can escape our prejudices for a millisecond, the phrase “too good to be true” may pass through our minds.

    We have all listened to people yelling “Nazi! Nazi!” as a scare tactic, in a period when the real threat to liberty and free speech has almost always come from the political heirs of uncle Joe. Is this another? If so, who is pulling the strings? With what object?

    Not that I have any idea what all this is about. But I find it a very good maxim to never be in too much of a hurry to presume that we really know what is really going on.

    Roger Pearse

    13/03/2010 at 00:06

  8. Of course the other alternative is that we have the Islamic Jew-haters borrowing material somewhat uncritically off the web, to see what works, what pushes the buttons of onlookers. Always possible, of course.

    Roger Pearse

    13/03/2010 at 00:08

  9. Never seen it in real life? well, let’s be thankful.

    But that doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist in wider arenas, eh?

    “When I HAVE heard people talking about it, the people doing so have all been Jewish! Who else ever thinks of such a thing?”

    You might not understand this Roger, but obviously most Jews would be sensitive to antisemitism in the same way that many blacks would be sensitive to anti black racism, etc

    “But I find it a very good maxim to never be in too much of a hurry to presume that we really know what is really going on.”

    Well I think if someone shouts Christ killers at Jews, you could reasonably assume they don’t like Jews.

    I know that is a bit of an assumption, Roger, but I think most people conversant with the topic of antisemitism might draw the same conclusion. I suspect you wouldn’t tho.

    Might I recommend purchasing Anthony Julius’s history of English anti-semitism, you might learn something :)

    modernity

    13/03/2010 at 00:43

  10. Well, this demonstration isn’t in England – it’s in NYC, so we’re talking about an example of American antisemitism, Roger. The young man who started shouting about Jews being Christ-killers also flung his hand out in what looked to me as a Nazi salute.

    I can assure you, Roger, that the charge that “the Jews” killed Christ is hardly a new one. Check out the Gospel of Matthew 25:27: “All the people answered, “Let his blood be on us and on our children!’” This verse has historically been used to blame all Jews from Jesus’ time down to our own as deicides.

    Judging from the signs, it’s sponsored by Al-Awda, a Palestinian group that calls for the right of return for all Palestinian refugees (which would, of course, result in the destruction of Israel).

    The thing that most “impressed” me was how childish the demonstrators seemed to me. “Racist Zionist pigs!” How profound a slogan! Or just calling out “Nazis!” Why they think this approach will actually appeal to any New York passersby is beyond me.

    Rebecca

    13/03/2010 at 21:06

  11. Rebecca: “Judging from the signs, it’s sponsored by Al-Awda, a Palestinian group that calls for the right of return for all Palestinian refugees (which would, of course, result in the destruction of Israel).”

    So fuck the Palestinians hey. That is the message we are to be left with is it!

    Modernity blog and its resident idiots have spoken!

    As for childish slogans, have you seen the Zionist you tube videos. They wrote the book on dumb, moronic sloganeering and propaganda!

    And let us not forget the radical Zionist and EDL alliance! Not that well publicised on this site for some strange reason. Wonder why that could be? Answers on a postcard folks.

    No headlines reading Pro Zionists and Fascists united!

    Why would Modernity want to damn the Palestinian struggle any chance he can get but ignore the extreme Zionists who ally with the far right?

    steveH

    14/03/2010 at 14:44

  12. SteveH,

    You are not reading what I’ve written with any clarity, and you can search the blog for my other comments on Palestinians and how they are mistreated by Israelis, the Arab states and by their own leaders

    This is a point on trying to make and please tell me if you get it:

    I don’t think that it help Palestinians’ cause to be associated with racism, as in the above example.

    I think that the Palestinians have a good cause, but appalling leaders and even worse supporters in the West, who would gladly consign them to misery from the rest of their lives if it provided an ounce of political capital for those Western supporters.

    I think that the Palestinians should negotiate a two-state solution with the Israelis, promote leaders who do not believe blowing people up are is solution, and receive masses of aid to build a working economy.

    The fact that many of them are stuck in refugee camps, at the behest of the Arab states doesn’t help either.

    The fact that many Western supporters, like you, infantise the Palestinians because it suits your political prejudices doesn’t help either.

    I think both sides, the Israeli and the Palestinians will have to compromise to find a modus vivendi, but that wasn’t the topic of this post, it was about “Christ killers” and racism.

    And please, before replying make an effort to read my comments policy.

    modernityblog

    14/03/2010 at 14:55

  13. Modernity,

    I have kept a close on on you on other blogs and am struck by your lack of criticism of Zionist views. So if you think I buy the idea that this article was to help the Palestinian cause I am not buying it.

    The reason you highlighted this and choose to ignore the extremists of Zionism is because you have a pro Zionist agenda.

    I don’t doubt for a minute that you are a genuine anti racist.

    steveH

    14/03/2010 at 18:16

  14. “I have kept a close on on you on other blogs and am struck by your lack of criticism of Zionist views. “

    And I have been struck by *your* inability to criticism anti-Jewish racism on other blogs, but so what? That is not the issue here.

    SteveH, I am not writing to convince you of anything, but I would have thought that you could have at least engage with the centrality of the post, which is that racists are unnecessarily associating themselves with the Palestinian cause.

    Do you think it is a problem?

    Do you know of Gilad Atzmon?

    Can you see where this is leading?

    modernityblog

    14/03/2010 at 22:12

  15. Steve H, you completely misread my comment about Al-Awda. In denouncing their goal of returning all Palestinian refugees and their descendants to Israel, I am not saying “fuck the Palestinians hey!” Al-Awda is an extremist group (certainly more extreme than the current Palestinian government in the West Bank) which is not interested in establishing a Palestinian state alongside Israel. They want to establish Palestine instead of Israel, which I am sure you know. I support the establishment of a Palestinian state alongside Israel, with its capital in East Jerusalem. How is that “anti-Palestinian”?

    Rebecca

    15/03/2010 at 00:48

  16. Thos who insist they have never heard “Christ-killer” used, need to study more maths, in particular sampling theory.

    The appropriate metric is not how often a gentile has heard it, but how often a Jew has heard it.

    And unfortunately that it generally too often.

    Philo-Semite

    05/04/2010 at 02:13

  17. Excellent point.

    modernityblog

    05/04/2010 at 02:28


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