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Julius Exposed

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I have been asked by one of my rare readers, Alec, to provide some quotes and links for material for Julius Streicher’s Der Stuermer.

I hope that some of my newer readers (Avi and Cian) will digest much of that disgusting imagery and reflect on their own complacency.

Julius Streicher is a strange individual, apparently he was a junior or kindergarten teacher. He was eventually marginalised by competing Nazis and captured by the Allies in 1945.

Background to the filthy rag.

HDHU Collection

Visualizing Otherness

German Propaganda Archive covering 1933-1945

Der Stuermer 1928-1932

Der Stuermer 1933-1945

The Internet Archive’s selected copies of Der Strumer seems to be off line.

That’s about all my stomach can take, for now.

PS: just to preempt the obvious and simplistic comments,

No, I don’t think that antisemitism is up to the levels of the 1930s, but you can see some themes coming through in modern propaganda whose heritage is clearly shown in the vile antisemitic imagery of bygone ages. Antisemitism is an evolving political ideology, it has taken on new shapes, co-opted new ideas (9/11, etc) and shouldn’t necessarily be judged by the crude benchmarks of 1930s Germany.

Written by modernityblog

18/07/2007 at 15:48

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  1. “I hope that some of my newer readers (Avi and Cian) will digest much of that disgusting imagery and reflect on their own complacency.”

    followed later by:

    “PS: just to preempt the obvious and simplistic comments,

    No, I don’t think that antisemitism is up to the levels of the 1930s, but you can see some themes coming through in modern propaganda whose heritage is clearly shown in the vile antisemitic imagery of bygone ages.”

    Really? Such as? If you’re going to make this link actually make it, rather than insinuating one. Does it even matter? Would Streicher’s stuff have mattered if it had been ignored? Did it affect views in Nazi Germany, or was it merely reflecting an already dominant viewpoint?

    “Antisemitism is an evolving political ideology, it has taken on new shapes, co-opted new ideas (9/11, etc) and shouldn’t necessarily be judged by the crude benchmarks of 1930s Germany.”

    So why make the comparison, and what is your basis for arguing that antisemitism is an evolving political ideology? Do you even know what it would mean for antisemitism to be an evovling ideology, rather than for modern antisemitism to be a completely seperate phenomenon?

    Can you point to any concrete parallels to this stuff in modern Britain which is mainstream?

    Cian O'Connor

    19/07/2007 at 14:51

  2. Cian,

    as a Phd student you’re probably considered smart, but I would suspect you’ve never taken any trouble to study antisemitism in any depth, and given your previous lack of empathy and belittling of the dangers of antissmitism, I’m not terribly interested either way.

    you’ll probably end up in the BNP, UKIP or whatever the Republic’s equivalents are.

    come back in 10 years, when you’ve lived some life and actually have anything meaningful to contribute

    modernityblog

    19/07/2007 at 23:11

  3. Not interested, or incapable. Not that I’d care, if you hadn’t libelled me by calling me anti-semitic.

    When I’m in my mid 40s (and yes I did plenty of things before I did a PhD – I just fancied a change, and had made sufficient money to finance one)? And I’ve lived in England my entire life, so another of your assumptions doesn’t pan out I’m afraid.

    “your previous lack of empathy”

    I can empathise with individuals, I can’t empathise with “all Jeiwsh people who have received anti-semitic attacks in the past year”. That’s a collective noun, how the hell do you empathise with a collective noun. I’ve said repeatedly that I sympathise with the people who’ve been beaten up, ANYONE who has been beaten up regardless of race, creed, sexuality, colour, race, etc.

    “belittling of the dangers of antissmitism, I’m not terribly interested either way.”

    That’s a meaningless statement. If you’re talking about the potential dangers of anti-semitism then yes they can be extreme, like any other form of hatred. The holocaust, Rwanda, Armenian genocide, etc, etc have all shown that. If you mean the dangers of anti-semitism in this country right now, then yes I think its far smaller than you and the CST based upon the figures I have seen. Its still a worrying presence, but small compared to other forms of racism that receive far less coverage (though every society has nutters). There are two responses to this:
    a) Show me I’m wrong, by providing other figures, or demonstrating that I’m misreading them in some way.
    b) Call me an anti-semite.
    The second rather suggests that you’re incapable of putting a coherent argument together. Which wouldn’t bother me if you hadn’t called me an anti-semite, which kind of pissed me off.

    And yes, I have studied anti-semitism in considerable depth. Which is why I know it was not a totality as you seem to think. There have been different strains of it, not all of them related and with varying degrees of seriousness. Its also normally had some underlying cause and has not been the irrational hatred that some have claimed (that’s not to say that its been a justified hatred, it wasn’t – merely that there were reasons for its manifestation). These causes have been different in various countries and at different times. I suspect mass immigration of people noticable different has minimised the last of the major causes (a group that was obviously different), making Jewish people white in the eyes of most. For instance, Jews are some way down the list of groups hated by the BNP and they seem to quite admire Israel.

    Anti-semitism was strongly embedded into the culture of C19th Germany in a way that it isn’t (and never has been) here, but of course you probably already knew that as you’ve studied this stuff in some depth, haven’t you.

    Of course if we were having a serious discussion, rather than one where you had put your hands over your ears for fear of contamination, I might point out that one major distinction is that in Britain the elite not only has many Jews in it, but also tends to be very pro-Jewish, contains several prominant Zionists (Tony Blair among them). How easy would it have been for German Jews to have got a parliamentary report into anti-semitism going, hmm?

    Cian O'Connor

    20/07/2007 at 08:46

  4. What, you’re removing my posts now?
    What is it with Zionists anyway. Faced with an argument you you first resort to crying anti-semitism, and then censorship.

    You can attack my arguments all you like. Hell I welcome it – if I’m wrong, how else am I going to evolve/learn. But attacking me for an argument you can’t even be bothered to properly understand – it suggests that you don’t really have confidence in your own arguments.

    Cian O'Connor

    20/07/2007 at 18:27

  5. stop being paranoid,

    I had made allowances for you as young student, still immature and without developing your empathy for humanity

    I am shocked that you are not a young student, so you have less excuse for your repugnant obsessions

    and if I didn’t make it clear before then let me start again:

    I don’t like fascism, I don’t like fascists, I don’t like neo-nazis, white power freaks, holocaust deniers or their associated allies, etc.

    I don’t converse with such people

    by the same token, I don’t converse (civilly at least) with people that show an incredible insensitivity to aspects of anti-Jewish racism, particularly when they should know better.

    so, do you understand? I am not interested in your maligned views

    if you want an argument, and I can see you have a knack there, then Engage is the place for you, http://www.engageonline.org.uk/blog/index.php

    although I doubt that you would post there, as they’ll rip your arguments to shreds and you know it

    modernityblog

    20/07/2007 at 18:42

  6. “I hope that some of my newer readers (Avi and Cian) will digest much of that disgusting imagery and reflect on their own complacency.”

    What an outragous statement. I am not complacent on this issue. Just because I answer your rather childish approach to a report you jump in with a scandalous conclusion.

    If anything the Muslim community backed by right wing elements of the Jewish community is facing more persecution and yet those same right wing elements say that this isn’t true and say Islamophobia doesn’t even exist.

    Anyway to answer your rather disgraceful point. Anti-semitism is to be abhored. I don’t take it lightly and never have. I think the Nazi’s were disgusting and prove that Europe has always had a bogeyman every century or so.

    Streicher was an idiot but he played to a certain time to achieve rank. He would have been a nobody if he hadn’t been part of that time.

    As for anti-semitism, well some of the responses from people like you have been pretty poor.

    As an example the myth that Jews control the media. If one looks at the proportion of Jewish people working in the industry which is always the list printed then right wing elements will say they do. People like you will say that is anti-semitic.

    But address the issue head on. Yes there are many Jews in the media, but many, if not most are highly critical for example of Israel. So no Jews don’t control the media and people like Jonathan Freedland etc. provide a fairly balanced view.

    With respect the way the issue is adddressed is so poor. Simply saying somethign is anti-semitic isn’t enough. Statements need to be addressed.

    BTW I do that. If someone says to me that Jews control the media I address the issue head on. No they don’t because many of the people quoted are quite liberal.

    Avi Cohen

    21/07/2007 at 12:21

  7. avi,

    do I need to highlight every piece of sarcasm to you?

    you should stop being so literalistic most of my comments are flippant, most are written about 2-3 am in the morning.

    I will address your other points below

    modernityblog

    21/07/2007 at 17:24

  8. Bet you wish you didn’t emerge from that bath-chair.

    Alec Macpherson

    21/07/2007 at 20:22

  9. And also, can I check if Avi Cohen is one of the Avishai Cohens? The jazzy ones, that is.

    Alec Macpherson

    21/07/2007 at 20:28

  10. Alec,

    exactly, my body’s in the bathchair, my mind is on the floor and they rarely meet 😦

    modernityblog

    21/07/2007 at 20:47

  11. BTW Modernityblog you complain about the Jewish portrayal. What about the Jewish people who have very close association to many rabid anti-Islam blogs? Why are many leading Jewish commentators and indeed parts of the Israeli Govt so anti-Islamic?

    Surely this is an issue to confront?

    As an example concerning Altals Shrugs:

    “I’m a big fan,” Mark Steyn, columnist and author AMERICA ALONE

    “Courageous insights from a pulchritudinous pundit!!
    Dr. Andrew Bostom, leading scholar on Islam

    “Great site,” Dick Morris

    “Indeed, some of Israel’s best friends and most articulate defenders can be found in the blogosphere, Little Green Footballs Atlas Shrugs, Hugh Hewitt, and Debbie Schlessel all provide a refreshing alternative to the moral relativism and politically correct anti-Israel blather of the media. Michael Freund, Jerusalem Post

    “The best there is,” Beryl Wajsman, President Institute of Public Affairs

    The blog is read daily by some of the most powerful, influential people in New York, DC, the Pentagon, and capitals of Europe and the Middle East.

    Why is the Jewish community aligning itself with a rabid anti-Islamic community which distorts and twists much of what is accepted about Islam and demonises 2 billion people?

    You complain about anti-semitism and yet this disgraceful act of alignment is an untold story?

    Yet no Jewish organisation in the mainstream goes to any effort to distance itself from this and indeed the Jerusalem Post no less is saying these are your friends.

    Yet from you and Harry and the others this is all acceptable they are good people.

    Avi Cohen

    22/07/2007 at 14:56

  12. Another example:

    http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53748

    A leading Rabbi urging Christians and saying Jews will stand with you.

    Strange this rhetoric of war being made with Jewish urging and Jews not distancing themselves from this.

    Avi Cohen

    22/07/2007 at 14:58

  13. Also interesting is the lack of comment on the call from the former Sephardi Chief Rabbi of Israel to kill innocent civilians:

    http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1180527966693&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

    “According to Jewish war ethics, wrote Eliyahu, an entire city holds collective responsibility for the immoral behavior of individuals. In Gaza, the entire populace is responsible…”

    His son who is now a Chief Rabbi said:
    “If they don’t stop after we kill 100, then we must kill a thousand,” said Shmuel Eliyahu. “And if they do not stop after 1,000 then we must kill 10,000. If they still don’t stop we must kill 100,000, even a million. Whatever it takes to make them stop.”

    In the letter, Eliyahu quoted from Psalms. “I will pursue my enemies and apprehend them and I will not desist until I have eradicated them.”

    Again another favourite of the right whinge and neo-cons is Memri who change translation to suit their needs:
    http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/brian_whitaker/2007/05/arabic_under_fire.html

    Another Chief Rabbi Ovieda Yusuf talkign about Arabs:
    “”It is forbidden to be merciful to them. You must send missiles to them and annihilate them. They are evil and damnable,”

    Reported on the BBC:
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1270038.stm

    The Rabbi went on to say:
    “The Lord shall return the Arabs’ deeds on their own heads, waste their seed and exterminate them, devastate them and vanish them from this world,”

    Condemnation by Blair, Bush and the Jewish community amounts to practicaly zero. Does Moanie Phillips mention this? No. Does Danny “Blocked” Pipes – No.

    Racism and calls to murder but as it is from leading Jewish Rabbi’s then it is acceptable. Do we see the UN condemn this?

    How different is this to extremist statements by Imams? One is condemned the other merits no condemnation, little coverage in the west and no morale outrage in the Jewish community.

    Our mutual friends at Engage and the Board of Deputies, the ADL and goodl ole Foxman say nothing. Michelle Malkin will probably agree wholeheartedly.

    No shock no suprise and no condemnation.

    So come on Modernityblog why do you, Harry’s Place and others ignore this?

    You should be ashamed.

    Is this in your name or not? So why no condemnation in so many years of these brutal practises.

    Avi Cohen

    22/07/2007 at 17:43

  14. Avi,

    I’m going to take two of your specific points, deal with them and then I can leave you to fill up the open thread until your heart’s content.

    please can I suggest, and that is an understatement, that you do not attribute views or statements to me that I do not hold?

    you write:

    BTW Modernityblog you complain about the Jewish portrayal.

    what exactly does that meaning? what does that relate to? where is my statement to that effect??

    You complain about anti-semitism and yet this disgraceful act of alignment is an untold story?

    I complain about people being physically attacked for existing, would continue to complain, irrespective of any other event in the world.

    I have no time for such people and have made that clear a number of times at HP, if you haven’t found the statements look harder.

    I am not particularly interested (nor can I influence) the rantings of politicians and politicos in North America.

    if you are, then start a blog, but please don’t, don’t TELL other people what they MUST do, simply because YOU think they should

    I am amenable to reason and logic, I don’t find being TOLD to think something agreeable, is that clear enough??

    modernityblog

    22/07/2007 at 20:03

  15. Modernityblog,

    This thread on Julius Exposed is surely a complaint about how Jews were portrayed. The whole theme of this thread is about the portrayal of Jews and how it lead to events in the 1930’s and beyond. Then you say where did I say that!

    “I am amenable to reason and logic, I don’t find being TOLD to think something agreeable, is that clear enough??”
    With respect neither do most people. Issues should be raised when there is only a one sided discussion. If you don’t want to answer the questions that is fine but it isn’t that you are being TOLD as you put it. It is that issues are raised.

    Clearly discussion isn’t allowed on this blog given the miniscule responses you have.

    Reason and logic dictate that open dicussions such as blogs are just that. If people pose questions about your positions or have suggestions that you should also help others then your overreaction indicates that there is little scope for discussion and you only wish to have people listen to your ranting.

    Whilst agreeing communities need to listen and understand each other you feel that doesn’t apply to you. You should be heard and not have to listen. Fine sentiments then you wonder why there are such issues in the world.

    What is clear is that discussion and dialogue are foreign to your blog, those that don’t toe the party blog line will be trashed.

    Shame things went downhill after those lovable Rabbi statements were included. The challenge to the Muslim, Christian and Jewish community is to distance themselves from such things. It is a shame you chose not to make a stand on these issues.

    BTW I don’t tell you what to do, I highlight issues and ask your opinion. Which you carefully avoid doing.

    Anyway stay happy. I’ll avoid comment in future as that is clearly the way you like things.

    Avi Cohen

    23/07/2007 at 03:18

  16. Avi wrote:

    This thread on Julius Exposed is surely a complaint about how Jews were portrayed.

    er, no, it was about a bit more than that, the pernicious nature of anti-semitism

    you wrote:

    Clearly discussion isn’t allowed on this blog given the miniscule responses you have.

    you are not amenable to dialogue, you rant, conflate issues and then bring in irrelevances, not only that you tell people what they should be doing, and this is not the first time is it?

    need I remind you of the pickled politics and sunny’s comment

    “Are you under the deluded assumption that you’re a grown up who is talking sense? You’ve come to a blog, started insulting everyone, making sexist remarks, trolling with conspiracy theories – and then you’re telling someone else to run along and act like a grown up?

    That is rather assuming. We don’t need idiots on this blog. Go away if you can’t contribute constructively. I couldn’t give a crap.”

    http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1240 and #77

    so please don’t take the piss, like sunny I have humoured you long enough, and if you wish to discuss issues on blogs then I suggest you learn how to do that, or accept that you will be progressively banned from more blogs, your choice.

    incidentally, because someone has a blog, they do not, I repeat do not, have to conform to your view of the world, bloggers can delete comments, ban people or turn off comments completely

    I prefer not to, I’ve told I’m being too liberal, although I’m considering it again, the last time I did it was when some neo-Nazi spammed by blog, I had hoped I wouldn’t have to.

    so why don’t you get the message, you’re not very constructive in your dialogues and you’re a bit of a pain, so when you’ve improved your manners and I hope that you do, try pickled politics again, Sunny is exceedingly tolerant, compared to me.

    If you don’t like all of this, then get a blog yourself, they are FREE, and easy to setup, see http://www.blogger.com or http://www.wordpress.com

    modernityblog

    23/07/2007 at 03:33


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