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The Guardian Getting Touchy About Own Racism on Cif.

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Well, not really. My impression is that the Guardian doesn’t mind criticizing Israelis or Jews, but can’t stand it when their obvious prejudices are pointed out.

I have been following an article by Ben White on CiF, and had commented:

“I can only wonder, in say 10 or 20 years from now, when someone is writing a potted history of how anti-Jewish racism came to resurrect itself in England, how the Guardian, as a liberal newspaper, will fare?

Not too well I suspect.

Here’s Eric Lee’s account of that meeting.

http://www.ericlee.info/2009/07/an_east_london_horror_story.html

Then a few minutes later my remarks had been deleted:

“modernityblog

10 Jul 09, 2:18pm (about 1 hour ago)
This comment has been removed by a moderator. Replies may also be deleted.”

Which is somewhat strange, as my comment was fairly innocuous. I can only assume that they are a bit touchy about being reminded of the racism that they are pushing.

Update: Other poster at CiF had similar problems (from the comment above):

I had the following deleted. CIF moderation told me it was because i had made personal attacks on WHite.

1) Ben – Would you support Israel building the wall along the Green Line ?

Why have you banned a Jewish person from attending your book launch tonight ? Because he’s from a pro-Israeli organisation. Can you not take debate ? Or is it so there isn’t a repeat performance of the anti-semitic abuse (Hitler was right) dished out at the last meeting for your book launch.

You have already written that you can understand why some people are antisemitic which says it all.

2) Hi Syd. Hoffman is definitely banned from the meeting. It’s a War On Want meeting for his booklaunch. Either WOW have banned Hoffman or White has forced WOW to ban him. If it’s WOW then Ben should call fro Hoffman to be allowed entry to the meeting.

http://www.hurryupharry.org/2009/07/07/war-on-truth/

“At a recent meeting arranged by White, a woman was jeered when she said her Jewish-sounding name prior to asking a question. Another Jew present was told the Nazis should have finished the job.

Seems that Ben White in his new book has been using false quotes. Bearing in mind he’s a Cambridge graduate in English it’s strange that White has done this as he certainly has the capabilities to source and check his quotations correctly. Bit of a whiff !

http://blog.z-word.com/2009/07/lies-damn-lies-and-the-apartheid-analogy/

No wonder War On Want don’t want Hoffman at the book launch tonight.”

Update 2: Another poster comments:

“I have attempted to criticise Ben White’s neglect of any Israeli perspective on the fence (pro or con) in three varying forms, all non-aggressive or accusatory. I also tried to link to Harry’s Place which have an important response to Ben White’s arguments. All have been deleted. This sort of biased censorship in a mainstream newspaper strikes me as frightening more than anything else.”

Update 3: Seismic has two pieces on White and his attitudes.

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10/07/2009 at 15:49

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  1. I had the following deleted. CIF moderation told me it was because i had made personal attacks on WHite.

    1)
    Ben – Would you support Israel building the wall along the Green Line ?

    Why have you banned a Jewish person from attending your book launch tonight ? Because he’s from a pro-Israeli organisation. Can you not take debate ? Or is it so there isn’t a repeat performance of the anti-semitic abuse (Hitler was right) dished out at the last meeting for your book launch.

    You have already written that you can understand why some people are antisemitic which says it all.

    2)
    Hi Syd. Hoffman is definitely banned from the meeting. It’s a War On Want meeting for his booklaunch. Either WOW have banned Hoffman or White has forced WOW to ban him. If it’s WOW then Ben should call fro Hoffman to be allowed entry to the meeting.

    http://www.hurryupharry.org/2009/07/07/war-on-truth/

    “At a recent meeting arranged by White, a woman was jeered when she said her Jewish-sounding name prior to asking a question. Another Jew present was told the Nazis should have finished the job.

    Seems that Ben White in his new book has been using false quotes. Bearing in mind he’s a Cambridge graduate in English it’s strange that White has done this as he certainly has the capabilities to source and check his quotations correctly. Bit of a whiff !

    http://blog.z-word.com/2009/07/lies-damn-lies-and-the-apartheid-analogy/

    No wonder War On Want don’t want Hoffman at the book launch tonight.

    Shachtman

    10/07/2009 at 16:18

  2. I have attempted to criticise Ben White’s neglect of any Israeli perspective on the fence (pro or con) in three varying forms, all non-aggressive or accusatory. I also tried to link to Harry’s Place which have an important response to Ben White’s arguments. All have been deleted. This sort of biased censorship in a mainstream newspaper strikes me as frightening more than anything else.

    Ben

    10/07/2009 at 16:35

  3. Hello there,
    The comment was removed as it was off-topic and sought to misrepresent the Guardian.
    If you’re ever curious as to why a comment of yours has been removed, it’s worth casting your eye over our community standards as all instances of moderation are carried out in line with these:
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/community-standards

    Guardian mod

    10/07/2009 at 16:36

  4. Dear Guardian mod,

    Far from it, my comments were very germane to the point, the issue of anti-Jewish racism which the Guardian and its staff wish to ignore.

    That is the White Elephant in the room, as the above comments aptly demonstrate.

    The fact that CiF and the Guardian are so poor at dealing with these issues suggest either a political blindness, palpable ignorance or an indifference to anti-Jewish racism.

    I think that it is a pity, I used to read the Guardian but no longer.

    PS: I assume that you are younger than the rest of us, so when in 10-20 years someone studies racism in society and the finger points to the Guardian on-line service, then you, as a moderator, will be able to say “Yes, I was part of that contribution to anti-Jewish racism at the time.” Not something to be proud of, eh?

    modernityblog

    10/07/2009 at 17:22

  5. Guardian Mod. I asked why my comments were personal attacks on WHite bearing in mind they were all addressing his political views and related to what he was writing. So perhaps you can explain why they were “off topic personal remarks” ?

    Shachtman

    10/07/2009 at 17:28

  6. I posted the following on CIF

    Shachtman’s Quick Summary.

    1) The CIF mods are deleting comments which dare to criticise White’s book.

    2) A 56 year old Jewish guy Hoffman was banned from the meeting last night and the organisers called the police who turned up in a minibus.

    3) Ben White uses false quotations in his book.

    4) Hoffman has ripped to pieces White’s book.

    5) Ben WHite set up a facebook group for his book. Somebody posted a link to Hoffman’s article and was thrown out of the group and it’s now a closed group.

    And off topic (gotta give the mods an excuse) , Ben White has had a haircut.

    Modernity Blog has a piece about the mods deleting comments and i suggest people cross-post their comments there for when they are censored on CIF.

    https://modernityblog.wordpress.com/2009/07/10/the-guardian-getting-touchy-about-own-racism-on-cif/

    2 Nations , 2 States !

    Shachtman

    10/07/2009 at 18:08

  7. Shachtman

    Hello Max
    I answering you here rather than Cif. I haven’t read Ben’s book so can’t comment there but I am concerned to hear that someone was excluded. Is he a well known violent agitator? I was interested to note it was hosted by a Muslim charity called The City Circle – they are, of course, free to hold any event which comes within their stated aims.

    The City Circle is an open circle for open minds.
    The City Circle provides an atmosphere where individuals are pushed to think outside the box. The City Circle hosts weekly events where ideas develop, the soul is nourished and issues highlighted and seeks to promote practical and progressive solutions to community problems. It runs targeted community based projects and holds fundraising dinners to support and highlight social and welfare causes as well as servicing third party initiatives. The City Circle is a registered charity (Reg. No.1088931).

    The above is from their home page which can be found at

    http://www.thecitycircle.com/aboutus.php

    On a personal note – to all – I am finding it increasingly difficult to have open and honest debate around several important questions we all face together as , it seems, we are expected to have and maintain partisan and very one sided opinions.

    best wishes to all

    Leni

    leni farrer

    10/07/2009 at 18:55

  8. Just posted this, let’s see if it gets deleted:

    “modernityblog

    10 Jul 09, 7:20pm (1 minute ago)

    An article discussing the above meeting referred to by Ben White can be found here:

    http://www.ericlee.info/2009/07/an_east_london_horror_story.html

    Elsewhere I have covered some related issues:

    https://modernityblog.wordpress.com/2009/07/10/the-guardian-moderation-and-anti-jewish-racism/

    modernityblog

    10/07/2009 at 19:24

  9. Cheers Mod – like I said elsewhere, a moderator on a Ben White article reminds me of a kid playing pop-up pirates. As soon as there’s a good comment, WHACK!

    It’s quite funny really as Ben White has revealed himself over the last few days to be the true practitioner of apartheid – NO to Zionists in my facebook group! NO to Zionists at my book events! NO to critical commenters who dare sully my precious CiF articles!

    Seismic

    11/07/2009 at 01:07

  10. yeah Seismic,

    ain’t that the “anti-Zionist” way? close down debate, threaten libel, etc

    I did ask a question of his fan club on Facebook, which reminds me I’ll have a quick look, I doubt I’ll get a civil answer tho’.

    modernityblog

    11/07/2009 at 02:15

  11. quelle suprise, my comment got deleted, here it is anyway:

    Please could Ben, or War on Want explain why an elderly Jewish man was banned from attending the meeting at Toynbee Hall?

    see http://www.ericlee.info/2009/07/an_east_london_horror_story.html

    PS: If you keep deleting I’ll have to keep re-posting it, please try to engage with this issue, it is important. Unless you don’t believe in freedom of speech? Well?

    modernityblog

    11/07/2009 at 02:22

  12. Seems that his other fan club doesn’t accept comments, or criticism!

    modernityblog

    11/07/2009 at 02:34

  13. […] it gets deleted! Filed under: theology — seismicshock @ 3:34 pm Oh dear. Not only are plenty of comments on Ben White’s latest article on CiF disappearing pretty quickly, but Ben White has joined […]

  14. Hi Lenni – i wrote a reply on Friday but it seems to have disappeared into the ether !

    Anyway , I trust from all the links provided since Friday that you have enough info’ to make your own judgement.

    Have a good week.

    BTW , Since commenting on the Ben White thread i’ve now been put on moderation on CIF which means all my comments have to be approved by the moderators before they are posted.

    Take care Lenni , rgds ,S

    Shachtman

    12/07/2009 at 23:32

  15. Woops – sorry , i meant Leni not Lenni !

    Shachtman

    13/07/2009 at 00:24

  16. Here is my response to Hoffman’s review:
    http://www.benwhite.org.uk/blog/?p=1281

    Ben

    13/07/2009 at 18:32

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