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I have no words for this:

“Police have launched an urgent investigation into a horrific Facebook group that gave graphic details of anti-Semitic incidents perpetrated by its members against Ilford’s Jewish community.

The group, created by a student at Loxford School of Science and Technology, attracted more than 500 members in two weeks following its launch last month and featured teenagers boasting about engaging in anti-Semitic behaviour.”

Written by modernityblog

05/02/2010 at 17:54

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  1. I do Mod but other than the odd verb and indefinite article they are all expletives!

    jams O'Donnell

    05/02/2010 at 20:09

  2. How’s this for irony? A press release about Holocaust Memorial Day activities in Ilford last year said:

    “Loxford School are currently participating in the Lessons from Auschwitz Project whereby students attend seminars on the Holocaust and visit Auschwitz.”

    Guess they didn’t learn from much…


    05/02/2010 at 20:49

  3. I don’t know what to say, honestly, it is so hard to take in.


    05/02/2010 at 22:25

  4. Modernity

    I have no adequate word either – frightening perhaps comes closest.

    Seeds and roots -fertile soil? I don’t know. Blind hatred, casual , perceived as amusing? Of little consequence? In children and young people? Who and what nurture them that they grow in this twisted way?

    What is the correct response? Punishment won’t fix it – it may help to quieten the expression of hatred but it won’t change or eradicate the causes.


    leni farrer

    06/02/2010 at 20:55

  5. Leni,

    Good point about fertile soil.

    I’m not sure, but I think weakness in society is pick upon.

    The meek shall not inherit the earth, rather someone will probably bully them, or at the very least pester them.

    I think there’s a lot of xenophobia in Britain, plus societal influences, how children react, etc

    Ethnic minorities do get picked on at school, but this is an order of magnitude different.

    I think the perception in Britain is that Jews are comparatively docile, harmless, an unlikely to respond violently, which might contribute as well.

    I don’t think turning the other cheek in British society is a terribly good idea, it only encourages more bulling.

    Personally, I’d invite a few Krav Maga experts from Israel to tour the UK and display their skills, etc pointing out the consequence of bullying Jews.


    06/02/2010 at 21:33

  6. Modernity

    i think there is a lot of ‘free floating’ anger and hatred out there – looking for something to attach to. a site like the one you pinpoint allows it to constellate. The number of responses is horrifying. Jews and Jewishness have long been focal points for haters to gather around. How we eliminate it – how we go beyond merely challenging it – we still do not know.

    Yes there is tribalism involved , a sense of ‘bigging up’ self at the expense of other. This warped sense of ‘value’ , the assumption that ‘we’ are best is ancient and pervasive. Wrong headed, nonsensical as it is it persists and is encouraged.

    I am concerned about the increase in cruelty and general disregard for people which seems to be on the increase in UK. Hatred is exploitable in many ways – culturally and politically.

    Had to look up Krav Maga. Certainly those more able to defend themselves are less likely to be bullied. This would protect individuals from assault and harrassment but would not eliminate the hatred and the attitudes which allow its expression.

    You will be aware that questioning racism or showing solidarity with a marginalised group can harden attitudes against both you and the group you are supporting.


    leni farrer

    07/02/2010 at 19:36

  7. “How we eliminate it “

    I’m not sure that you can, I think it may be an aspect of socio-pathic behaviour, and at any one point there are a percentage of people in a society that subscribe to those views.

    I think there’s a overlap between the psychological, the sociological and the political.

    I have no solution.

    I think however within the political sphere you can remind people that their criticisms are often too harsh, too lopsided and not consistent.

    Then again, sometimes they’ll listen and sometimes they don’t.

    I think there is a high degree of alienation in capitalist societies and that explains some of the attitude that you find, but where they **focus**, it seems to me, relates to the dominant political trends and ideas in any particular society.

    Thus, hypothetically, speaking you might have a society which is rather fractured with a fair degree of violence, but no history of anti-Jewish racism, so it doesn’t become focused in that particular area.

    The converse is equally true.

    In British society, immigrants that are seen as weak tend to be attacked. That’s what happens.

    As I said there are no consequences from attacking Jews, but if you were to attack another ethnic or social minority then there might be a lively response.

    An example would be Stonewall, in New York City, how police intimidation produced a reaction that they didn’t expect, etc etc.

    I think there is a long strain of xenophobia in British society, you only have to look at the attitude to Europe and the EU, silly arguments about imperial measurements etc

    I think a seachange needs to take place in British thinking and that will only happen if people stand up and respond back, vigorously.

    Decades of letterwriting haven’t achieved much, for British Jews.


    07/02/2010 at 21:17

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