“Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man’s character, give him power.” Abraham Lincoln

Jean Charles de Menezes

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Written by modernityblog

22/07/2010 at 11:09

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  1. What does it mean, open verdict?
    That there was no agreement on whether the police was guilty?

    Fabian from Israel

    22/07/2010 at 11:16

  2. You would have to ask the lawyer for a precise definition, but I think it is one of those wonderful English phrases which says something if you know what it means, and nothing if you don’t.

    As far as I can gather it means that the cause of death could not precisely be determined. That the death might be suspicious, but no exact cause could be confirmed, bearing in mind the various rules of evidence which are at play here.

    I hope that makes sense 🙂

    PS: I am not a lawyer.


    22/07/2010 at 12:11

  3. Thanks mod. What I don’t undestand is why the mother of De Menezes was happy with the verdict.

    Fabian from Israel

    23/07/2010 at 12:22

  4. I suspect, and I’m not 100% sure, but an open verdict leaves the possibility of acknowledging that her son was murdered, only that the exact culprit is not too clear at the moment.

    The alternative might have been a death by misadventure verdict or some other suitable English euphemism, which would at absolve police of guilt.

    The present arrangements at least allow for the possibility of a prosecution, whereas the other ones probably don’t.


    23/07/2010 at 12:29

  5. An open verdict was the only one left for the jury to make due to the coroners instructions removing the choice of unlawfully killed. So they had the choice only of lawfully killed, accident or open verdict What it really means in this case is that the truth will come out eventually, it will just take longer. For me as a UK citizen, it also means in reality that the jury is most unhappy at the coroner’s instructions so it left a path for individuals to be charged in the future. Maybe a UK gag order on press, so internet may a way for the Menezes to get justice.


    12/08/2010 at 20:50

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