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Keeping Track of The EDL.

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Even with the aid of the Internet it is often difficult to keep up with the EDL’s activities, their racism, their shenanigans and stupidity.

Even more perplexing to understand is the fact that some people still haven’t made up their minds concerning the EDL.

They haven’t digested the fact that the English Defence League are thugs, football hooligans, convicted criminals, professional racists, neo-Nazis and the flotsam and jetsam of the Extreme Right in Britain.

Still, ignorance is no excuse, particularly when there are valuable resources which detail the EDL’s vile activities on the web, here are two.

The Expose’s pictorial twitter, which has extracts from EDL and BNP supporters, showing their true views, with clips from the EDL’s Facebook page.

It also has a threatening piece, apparently from Chris Renton, one of the EDL leaders. There’s plenty of stuff, well worth a long trawl.

Another related group on Facebook is Exposing intolerance and racism online XVI, they have plenty of material and coverage of the EDL’s thugs.

Update 1: Here’s a few of my previous posts on the EDL:

The Tale Of Two EDL Supporters.

EDL Organisers Are Proven Neo-Nazis.

Glasses and Bottles

A Typical EDL Supporter?

Explaining The EDL And The Guardian.

Written by modernityblog

04/10/2010 at 01:19

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  1. Thanks for the post, Mod. I personally have no doubts about EDL. They are thoroughly compromised by adherent who espouse hate and extremism. I’d love to see a progressive, bipartisan anti-Islamist movement emerge in Europe, and its horribly dispiriting, to put it mildly, tha such a reactionary group had to emerge instead.

    Adam Levick

    04/10/2010 at 19:00

  2. “I’d love to see a progressive, bipartisan anti-Islamist movement emerge”

    That as maybe, but most of the preoccupation with political Islamists in Britain has little to do with any political content, rather the consequence is that comparatively poor Muslims get attacked, physically.

    History tells us that the rise of reactionary groups is a constant, the question is whether or not we can spot it and opposed them, or sit on the fence, as is so often the case, and as happened in the 1930s…

    modernityblog

    04/10/2010 at 19:18

  3. Do you deny that most of those getting physically attacked in Europe these days are Jews? Further, would you deny that a disproportional percentage of the perpetrators are Muslim. I can send you links to very thorough studies on this, if you’d like.

    I mean, look, I have no doubt that the EDL is a reactionary movement, but surely you must be aware of the degree to which radical Islamic groups have emerged and grown in European cities, from Malmo to London.

    http://www.jpost.com/International/Article.aspx?id=167969

    http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/news/study-anti-semitism-in-europe-hit-new-high-in-2009-1.284032

    http://www.tau.ac.il/Anti-Semitism/asw2009/general-analysis-09.pdf

    Just so we’re clear. Are you saying that anti-Islam violence in Europe is a bigger problem than anti-Semitic violence?

    There’s no doubt that EDL doesn’t represent a progressive movement, to put it mildly, but surely you must know that the presence of Islamist groups (openly anti-Semitic, openly committed to the destruction of Israel, etc., and often advocating the return of an Islamic caliphate) in Europe is a big problem. Do you disagree with this?

    Adam Levick

    04/10/2010 at 21:07

  4. “Do you deny that most of those getting physically attacked in Europe these days are Jews? F”

    Hardly, I have for many years argued that the increase in physical attacks on Jews is underreported.

    Pleased do send me the information which details that ***British Jews*** are attacked by Muslims in a majority of instances , and specifically Muslims.

    Just be clear I think that violence against Muslims in *Britain* is an issue.

    I think equally the underreporting of violence against Jews is a problem.

    They are not counterpoised.

    The EDL considerably more than reactionaries, they are a bunch of neo-fascist and neo-Nazis.

    They have no legitimate grievance, they want to incite a race war and conflict. No one should be fooled otherwise.

    modernityblog

    04/10/2010 at 21:43

  5. I looked at the Jpost article, but it doesn’t seem to tally with the actual reports that it quotes.

    Not all assailants are identified. The identified assailants are a subset of the larger group, which may or may not be representative of them.

    From the Jpost:

    http://www.jpost.com/JewishWorld/JewishNews/Article.aspx?id=172884

    Most violent attacks in Western Europe came from people of Arab or Muslim heritage, the report found. Yet while the major jump in 2009 was thought to be connected to Operation Cast Lead in January, the baseline of attacks by extreme Left and extreme Right activists has been rising since the early 1990s.

    This trend of a growing baseline of “white” perpetrators alongside occasional spikes by attackers stemming from the Muslim community is borne out most clearly in the UK.

    In 2008, “when there was no trigger event in the Middle East,” the Jewish community’s Community Security Trust counted 63% of perpetrators of anti-Jewish violence being described by victims and witnesses as “white,” while descriptions of “Asian” or “Arab” – suggesting members of the Muslim community – counted for just 31%.

    **In 2009, however, “white” attacks dropped to 48% and “Asian” or “Arab” attacks jumped to 43%.***

    During the month of January 2009, in the midst of Operation Cast Lead, “Asian” and “Arab” attackers accounted for fully 54% of incidents, although the Muslim community numbers just 4% of the general population.”

    That is inaccurate, since not all instances of the ethnicity of the perpetrators was recorded, thus it is misleading.

    From the CST report:

    http://www.thecst.org.uk/docs/CST-incidents-report-09-for-web.pdf

    “A physical description of the perpetrator was provided in 321 of the 924 incidents recorded by CST4. Of these, 145 were white; 10 were east European; 27 black; 98 Asian; two Far Eastern and 39 of Arab appearance.”

    No where does the report say that half the attacks, that’s over 462, were committed by Muslims.

    No where does it say that.

    So to argue that is the case is to misrepresent the facts.

    modernityblog

    04/10/2010 at 23:29

  6. the baseline of attacks by extreme Left and extreme Right activists has been rising since the early 1990s.

    I’d also like to see some methodology for that particular claim. While we’d agree that some segments of the far left are pretty rubbish at recognising antisemitism, I’m somewhat startled by the allegation that far left activists are actively carrying out violent physical attacks on Jews. I’m not saying that it’s definitely false. But I want to see a bit of evidence of it. At the least, the naming of the far left groups this is being claimed about.

    I can’t see any basis for this particular claim in the WJC report, although I might have missed it. Instead, their argument seems to be that the tone of anti Israel demonstrations (and they conflate that to mean both being against the existence of Israel and demonstrations against specific Israeli policies) has bred an atmosphere which makes violent antisemitic attacks more likely. That can obviously be debated, but it’s not the same as the claim the Jerusalem Post are making.

    There’s even less basis for that to be found in the CST report.

    Waterloo Sunset

    08/10/2010 at 20:48

  7. WS,

    please email someone at CST, ask them about it they wouldn’t say itwithout some reason.

    I suspect if I were them answering then they *might* say, that attacks from the Left come in the form of verbal abuse, demos, associating and promoting antisemites from the ME, plus the hosting of Atzmon etc and their questionable use of the term “Zionists”, which is common currency as a term of abuse amongst many on the Left. And organising the Boycotts etc etc

    Further they might say, that whilst the Right is traditionally violent even they have upped the propaganda war and made more of their ideas palatable for a wider audience, etc

    But that’s only my reading of it and I could be wrong.

    Please do email the CST they are very approachable people.

    modernityblog

    11/10/2010 at 16:35

  8. Mod,

    I think you’ve misunderstood me slightly. I don’t think the CST have made that claim, at least not from what I can work out. It seems to originate from somewhere else, but I can’t quite work out the specific source the JP is using on that one.

    While I wouldn’t take issue with much of what you say (although it’s not been onesided. Hoffman’s statement that the EDL could stand where they wanted because it was a free country was unimpressive, to say the least), in the context of that paragraph, it does appear to be a specific reference to violent attacks to me.

    Still, I’m guessing you have no more idea about the source in question then I do, so emailing it isn’t going to be particuarly easy!

    Waterloo Sunset

    11/10/2010 at 20:27

  9. WS,

    You are right, I can’t find it, I thought I remembered a clip from the CST:

    “Across the year as a whole, these numbers were much more evenly spread, with 175 showing anti-Zionist motivation, 161 far right and 106 Islamist, alongside the antisemitic motivation, content or targeting. ”

    I think what happens is that *others* take reports then summarise them, and in doing they do not make an effort to understand what is being reported.

    So the above clip could be misconstrued to indicate that attacks from the Left are equal to the physical attacks from the Extreme Right.

    The general feeling seems to be that as the Left are largely behind the Boycott and BDS campaign, etc etc that it feeds anti-Jewish racism, etc that could be their point? Not sure.

    modernityblog

    11/10/2010 at 21:06

  10. In other news, you seem to have become a minor celebrity in EDL circles. 😉 Link broken for obvious reasons. http: //s1.zetaboards.com/EDL_The_Forum/topic/3846727/1/

    Waterloo Sunset

    11/10/2010 at 22:47

  11. Ha ha, thanks for that🙂

    They haven’t seen anything yet, more posts on the brew…

    modernityblog

    11/10/2010 at 23:40


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